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		<title>By: Dev</title>
		<link>http://www.rebekahcampbell.com/2013/09/24/what-ive-learnt-about-outsourcing-so-far/#comment-1786</link>
		<dc:creator>Dev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2014 12:02:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[when you go to india through outsourcing company,its contracted like sheep-shearing once was. &quot; get em in and get em out&quot; . I have lived in australia long enough to know that lot of Australians are working for pay and not ..passion.. as you put it. I dont go to GP doctors in Australia because they have sheep shearer mentality.

A lot of Australia is still run with 60s mentality (white Australia policy).....&quot; the world has caught up with australia..but still many australians go about with their 60s &quot; white australia &quot; policies. Generally a Phillipino would stand very little chance of getting job in many Australian workplaces of today.Yet you seem to extremely pleased with their ..passion..for work. why?...Rebekah you are smug and glib.

( Im not an India supporter. Lot of stuff wrong with India . But India does have lowest costs in many things and that keeps me optimistic for change )]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>when you go to india through outsourcing company,its contracted like sheep-shearing once was. &#8221; get em in and get em out&#8221; . I have lived in australia long enough to know that lot of Australians are working for pay and not ..passion.. as you put it. I dont go to GP doctors in Australia because they have sheep shearer mentality.</p>
<p>A lot of Australia is still run with 60s mentality (white Australia policy)&#8230;..&#8221; the world has caught up with australia..but still many australians go about with their 60s &#8221; white australia &#8221; policies. Generally a Phillipino would stand very little chance of getting job in many Australian workplaces of today.Yet you seem to extremely pleased with their ..passion..for work. why?&#8230;Rebekah you are smug and glib.</p>
<p>( Im not an India supporter. Lot of stuff wrong with India . But India does have lowest costs in many things and that keeps me optimistic for change )</p>
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		<title>By: Subbiah</title>
		<link>http://www.rebekahcampbell.com/2013/09/24/what-ive-learnt-about-outsourcing-so-far/#comment-1495</link>
		<dc:creator>Subbiah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2014 17:14:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Rebekah,

Great to get to know about your career, company and your blog. &#039;Very&#039; informative with actual numbers. Hats off to you, Ms.

In this write up you stated the following &#039;facts&#039;: 
&quot;The Sydney team spent a lot of time writing specs for the team in India. It’s impossible for a technical spec to cover every decision that the implementer has to make. For every major definition in the spec there were a hundred micro decisions left to the Indian developer. We’d never met them; they didn’t speak good English, or understand the business problem we were trying to solve. So, they often came up with wrong decisions.&quot;
&quot;Now that we’re growing, we’ve decided to launch our own team in Manila. I went over there last week to scope out the scene and investigate different approaches. I learned about Manila’s thriving startup scene and was shown two of the largest startup incubators, packed with enthusiastic entrepreneurs and engineers building their own products. I was surprised to hear how many startup competitions, hackathons and meet-ups there are.&quot;

Then, here is your &#039;conclusion&#039;: 
&quot;It (Manila) felt a very different culture from India, where developers seem to work more for pay than for passion.&quot;

I am sick to my stomach, Ms.

Your writing is absolutely brilliant, I should give you that. But, your information synthesizing absolutely stinks. By now I am pretty sure you would have guessed what I am getting at, which is simple: 
You have not visited India. You did not meet with any of the developers in India. But, you found the nerve to paint a country of more than a billion people as: &quot;...culture from India, where developers seem to work more for pay than for passion.&quot;

For your information, I am proud to say that I am Indian. Always will be even though I carry an US passport (my adoped motherland) now. I earned one engineering UG degree in India, one engineering PG degree in US, and another business PG degree in US also. Needless to say, unlike you, I have firsthand experience on both sides of a technology company coin, namely, the technology and the business sides.

Never never never underestimate how difficult it is for a business person to explain the business purpose of a company whether the listener is a VC, techie or a sales rep. If you are finding it difficult to explain your business, admit it, since it is evolving, you do not know all the details yourself, how can you expect a bunch of programmers listening to you over phone, going over your half baked specs and reading your emails to &#039;know&#039; what you want?!

Looks like there are VCs willing to open their wallets listening to someone with just an &#039;idea&#039; and nothing more. Good for you. Rest assured that there are very many others who have already built not only prototypes but also working applications with a bit of a revenue stream which could be called &#039;real&#039; companies. These are engineers; with working ideas. You identify yourself as an ex-band manager. Even though management and people skills are important in a technology company manager, that alone is not going to be enough to get work done from an engineering group. Rather than saying that you filled your shortcomings in technology by hiring an experienced technology manager (Alex North), you found fault with a whole country; and, I am so very sad to point out, its culture.

In another article &quot;How being a female tech founder is different&quot; you wonder if you being a woman handicaps you. To some extent it might. But, when it comes to dealing with techies, whether or not you know technology would be a much bigger influence compared to your gender. It is the actual technology people, the engineers, who are going to be more gender, color, ethnicity, etc. blind than the VCs, the money people who are predominanty White males. Let me give you an example: Satya Nadella, the Indian who became the CEO of Microsoft, &#039;in my opinion&#039;, owes his promotion to the techie founder, Bill Gates, being blind to the many factors I listed above. In my opinion, if not for Bill Gates being a techie who &#039;sincerely&#039; values a fellow techie, Satya would have never become a CEO.

Just take one Indian company, Infosys, as an example. NY Times columnist Thomas Friedman sincerely believes that its founder CEO Nandan Nilekani is a smart man. Trust me Rebekah, a bunch of Indian techies with bundles of passion and determination alone brought it to a level of multibillion multinational corporation.

I found so much pleasure reading your very honest, right from the heart articles with actual numbers and names. As you said you are managing other people&#039;s money now and have lots of responsibility riding on your shoulders. It is time you seriously consider hiring a Media/Public Relations manager. They would teach you how to tread lightly, and, more importantly, carefully. Your article &quot;The Surprisingly Large Cost of Telling Small Lies&quot; got published in The New York Times. You have arrived Rebekah, and, my sincere heartfelt Congratulations to you! Trust me, these PR people would also help you catch &#039;large&#039; lies too, especially before they make it to publications as renowned as NY Times.

Rather than giving you all kinds of examples of India and Indians being passionate, I invite to visit us in India and see for yourself. We would be delighted to host you. I am sure you would find us to be as passionate and dedicated as Rebekah Campbell.

Subbiah]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Rebekah,</p>
<p>Great to get to know about your career, company and your blog. &#8216;Very&#8217; informative with actual numbers. Hats off to you, Ms.</p>
<p>In this write up you stated the following &#8216;facts&#8217;:<br />
&#8220;The Sydney team spent a lot of time writing specs for the team in India. It’s impossible for a technical spec to cover every decision that the implementer has to make. For every major definition in the spec there were a hundred micro decisions left to the Indian developer. We’d never met them; they didn’t speak good English, or understand the business problem we were trying to solve. So, they often came up with wrong decisions.&#8221;<br />
&#8220;Now that we’re growing, we’ve decided to launch our own team in Manila. I went over there last week to scope out the scene and investigate different approaches. I learned about Manila’s thriving startup scene and was shown two of the largest startup incubators, packed with enthusiastic entrepreneurs and engineers building their own products. I was surprised to hear how many startup competitions, hackathons and meet-ups there are.&#8221;</p>
<p>Then, here is your &#8216;conclusion&#8217;:<br />
&#8220;It (Manila) felt a very different culture from India, where developers seem to work more for pay than for passion.&#8221;</p>
<p>I am sick to my stomach, Ms.</p>
<p>Your writing is absolutely brilliant, I should give you that. But, your information synthesizing absolutely stinks. By now I am pretty sure you would have guessed what I am getting at, which is simple:<br />
You have not visited India. You did not meet with any of the developers in India. But, you found the nerve to paint a country of more than a billion people as: &#8220;&#8230;culture from India, where developers seem to work more for pay than for passion.&#8221;</p>
<p>For your information, I am proud to say that I am Indian. Always will be even though I carry an US passport (my adoped motherland) now. I earned one engineering UG degree in India, one engineering PG degree in US, and another business PG degree in US also. Needless to say, unlike you, I have firsthand experience on both sides of a technology company coin, namely, the technology and the business sides.</p>
<p>Never never never underestimate how difficult it is for a business person to explain the business purpose of a company whether the listener is a VC, techie or a sales rep. If you are finding it difficult to explain your business, admit it, since it is evolving, you do not know all the details yourself, how can you expect a bunch of programmers listening to you over phone, going over your half baked specs and reading your emails to &#8216;know&#8217; what you want?!</p>
<p>Looks like there are VCs willing to open their wallets listening to someone with just an &#8216;idea&#8217; and nothing more. Good for you. Rest assured that there are very many others who have already built not only prototypes but also working applications with a bit of a revenue stream which could be called &#8216;real&#8217; companies. These are engineers; with working ideas. You identify yourself as an ex-band manager. Even though management and people skills are important in a technology company manager, that alone is not going to be enough to get work done from an engineering group. Rather than saying that you filled your shortcomings in technology by hiring an experienced technology manager (Alex North), you found fault with a whole country; and, I am so very sad to point out, its culture.</p>
<p>In another article &#8220;How being a female tech founder is different&#8221; you wonder if you being a woman handicaps you. To some extent it might. But, when it comes to dealing with techies, whether or not you know technology would be a much bigger influence compared to your gender. It is the actual technology people, the engineers, who are going to be more gender, color, ethnicity, etc. blind than the VCs, the money people who are predominanty White males. Let me give you an example: Satya Nadella, the Indian who became the CEO of Microsoft, &#8216;in my opinion&#8217;, owes his promotion to the techie founder, Bill Gates, being blind to the many factors I listed above. In my opinion, if not for Bill Gates being a techie who &#8216;sincerely&#8217; values a fellow techie, Satya would have never become a CEO.</p>
<p>Just take one Indian company, Infosys, as an example. NY Times columnist Thomas Friedman sincerely believes that its founder CEO Nandan Nilekani is a smart man. Trust me Rebekah, a bunch of Indian techies with bundles of passion and determination alone brought it to a level of multibillion multinational corporation.</p>
<p>I found so much pleasure reading your very honest, right from the heart articles with actual numbers and names. As you said you are managing other people&#8217;s money now and have lots of responsibility riding on your shoulders. It is time you seriously consider hiring a Media/Public Relations manager. They would teach you how to tread lightly, and, more importantly, carefully. Your article &#8220;The Surprisingly Large Cost of Telling Small Lies&#8221; got published in The New York Times. You have arrived Rebekah, and, my sincere heartfelt Congratulations to you! Trust me, these PR people would also help you catch &#8216;large&#8217; lies too, especially before they make it to publications as renowned as NY Times.</p>
<p>Rather than giving you all kinds of examples of India and Indians being passionate, I invite to visit us in India and see for yourself. We would be delighted to host you. I am sure you would find us to be as passionate and dedicated as Rebekah Campbell.</p>
<p>Subbiah</p>
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		<title>By: Sanjay</title>
		<link>http://www.rebekahcampbell.com/2013/09/24/what-ive-learnt-about-outsourcing-so-far/#comment-1450</link>
		<dc:creator>Sanjay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2014 04:16:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for sharing Rebekah. Your experience mirrors mine in terms of having a fully outsourced development team in India. It was a woeful and stressful experience for me even though I have a tech background. (Before anyone accuses me of bias - I am of Indian origin). A lot of it I think can be put down to lack of my experience on what outsourcing truly entails. We brought the whole development onshore to Melbourne and it stayed that way till recently. We now have a mix - most of the development plan &amp; complex coding is done here in Melbourne and we use oDesk to source some outsourced talent ranging from technical document writers, programmers to even recruitment on our behalf. The team is spread over Australia, India, China and Philippines. Would love to hear more about your visits to the US and where to start connecting with other startup entrepreneurs when you first go there.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for sharing Rebekah. Your experience mirrors mine in terms of having a fully outsourced development team in India. It was a woeful and stressful experience for me even though I have a tech background. (Before anyone accuses me of bias &#8211; I am of Indian origin). A lot of it I think can be put down to lack of my experience on what outsourcing truly entails. We brought the whole development onshore to Melbourne and it stayed that way till recently. We now have a mix &#8211; most of the development plan &amp; complex coding is done here in Melbourne and we use oDesk to source some outsourced talent ranging from technical document writers, programmers to even recruitment on our behalf. The team is spread over Australia, India, China and Philippines. Would love to hear more about your visits to the US and where to start connecting with other startup entrepreneurs when you first go there.</p>
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		<title>By: Candice</title>
		<link>http://www.rebekahcampbell.com/2013/09/24/what-ive-learnt-about-outsourcing-so-far/#comment-1379</link>
		<dc:creator>Candice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jan 2014 03:28:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Very insightful post Rebekah. Thanks for giving back to the startup community in such an authentic way, I hope to do the same.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very insightful post Rebekah. Thanks for giving back to the startup community in such an authentic way, I hope to do the same.</p>
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		<title>By: Surya</title>
		<link>http://www.rebekahcampbell.com/2013/09/24/what-ive-learnt-about-outsourcing-so-far/#comment-1368</link>
		<dc:creator>Surya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jan 2014 01:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great post Rebekah. The other place that you might want to consider is Indonesia. The hackers and designers there are very talented. The place doesn&#039;t have quite have established outsourcing ecosystem as Phillipines or India, but it&#039;s getting there.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post Rebekah. The other place that you might want to consider is Indonesia. The hackers and designers there are very talented. The place doesn&#8217;t have quite have established outsourcing ecosystem as Phillipines or India, but it&#8217;s getting there.</p>
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		<title>By: Rebekah</title>
		<link>http://www.rebekahcampbell.com/2013/09/24/what-ive-learnt-about-outsourcing-so-far/#comment-1333</link>
		<dc:creator>Rebekah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Dec 2013 23:22:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nice one!  I didn&#039;t consider Vietnam but makes sense that there are smart and talented people all over the globe.  You&#039;ve just got to invest time in looking for them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice one!  I didn&#8217;t consider Vietnam but makes sense that there are smart and talented people all over the globe.  You&#8217;ve just got to invest time in looking for them.</p>
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		<title>By: Tung</title>
		<link>http://www.rebekahcampbell.com/2013/09/24/what-ive-learnt-about-outsourcing-so-far/#comment-1313</link>
		<dc:creator>Tung</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Nov 2013 01:33:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Rebekah, good to hear your story and it seems your successful path in outsourcing is similar to ours. We don&#039;t outsource the job, instead we scoured LinkedIn and a found great developers (even an ACM World Finalist) in Vietnam, asked them to join us as full-time employees, of course the pay range is one third of an Aussie dev. of the same caliber.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rebekah, good to hear your story and it seems your successful path in outsourcing is similar to ours. We don&#8217;t outsource the job, instead we scoured LinkedIn and a found great developers (even an ACM World Finalist) in Vietnam, asked them to join us as full-time employees, of course the pay range is one third of an Aussie dev. of the same caliber.</p>
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		<title>By: Alleli</title>
		<link>http://www.rebekahcampbell.com/2013/09/24/what-ive-learnt-about-outsourcing-so-far/#comment-1279</link>
		<dc:creator>Alleli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Nov 2013 02:22:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What an inspirational post, Rebekah. I’m so glad you found our country, specifically Manila, enthusiastic and passionate and chose Filipinos to become your partners in business. You’re doing outsourcing right! Good luck with your company. How’s everything now? :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What an inspirational post, Rebekah. I’m so glad you found our country, specifically Manila, enthusiastic and passionate and chose Filipinos to become your partners in business. You’re doing outsourcing right! Good luck with your company. How’s everything now? <img src='http://www.rebekahcampbell.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Rebekah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rebekah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Oct 2013 05:57:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Mel,
It&#039;s tough to do well and I&#039;m still learning how to keep the team fired up.  I find taking the team away for a few days every 3 months has a great impact.  I&#039;ll write a blog on this soon!  Thanks for the idea :)
Rebekah]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Mel,<br />
It&#8217;s tough to do well and I&#8217;m still learning how to keep the team fired up.  I find taking the team away for a few days every 3 months has a great impact.  I&#8217;ll write a blog on this soon!  Thanks for the idea <img src='http://www.rebekahcampbell.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
Rebekah</p>
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		<title>By: Rebekah</title>
		<link>http://www.rebekahcampbell.com/2013/09/24/what-ive-learnt-about-outsourcing-so-far/#comment-1246</link>
		<dc:creator>Rebekah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Oct 2013 05:56:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Theresa,
I&#039;ll write a blog on being a non-tech founder soon.  Thanks for the idea!
Rebekah]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Theresa,<br />
I&#8217;ll write a blog on being a non-tech founder soon.  Thanks for the idea!<br />
Rebekah</p>
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		<title>By: Rebekah</title>
		<link>http://www.rebekahcampbell.com/2013/09/24/what-ive-learnt-about-outsourcing-so-far/#comment-1245</link>
		<dc:creator>Rebekah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Oct 2013 05:54:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[thanks so much Janet!  Glad you you&#039;re getting something out of it :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks so much Janet!  Glad you you&#8217;re getting something out of it <img src='http://www.rebekahcampbell.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Janet</title>
		<link>http://www.rebekahcampbell.com/2013/09/24/what-ive-learnt-about-outsourcing-so-far/#comment-1206</link>
		<dc:creator>Janet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Oct 2013 22:56:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks Rebekah for being so forthcoming and sharing your experiences - I have recently started my own startup and your advice/learnings are valuable and insightful ..I only wish I&#039;d read them a year ago :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Rebekah for being so forthcoming and sharing your experiences &#8211; I have recently started my own startup and your advice/learnings are valuable and insightful ..I only wish I&#8217;d read them a year ago <img src='http://www.rebekahcampbell.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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